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It's a comic page in which a man has a terrible beard, and a doctor changes a subject

I like drawing Dr. Peterson's face.

I was considering making some kind of vague reference on this page to Dr. Peterson having some kind feelings for the warden or actually having a relationship with her, but that is too much subplot for me to handle. And it seems sort of unimportant.

And also I don't really want to hear people going EW GROSS about it either. Comments about her being ugly because she's butch bother me enough as it is.

And... I missed this because I was drawing, but someone made a joke about her being a tranny in the ustream, and I don't wanna make anyone feel bad, but please never do that again. Okay?

I should have said something at the time, but I guess it sort of flustered me. It's hard to think of a level headed thing to say when you're upset, you know? And I don't want to yell at people, because I know they didn't mean to make me feel bad, but careless words can be pretty painful sometimes.

I'll say something next time, if it ever happens again. I feel like I owe it to people to be upfront about it if it bothers me, or I think it's out of line. It's just hard to broach a thing like that when everyone's having a good time.

Sorry for my downer note this week. No hard feelings.

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Also

I'm not at that DA meetup thingy for SXSW, obviously. I was thinking about going, but after shaking hands with people this past weekend at Staple! I am kind of all socialized out and I now require time to sit in my dark cave-room and obsess over everything I said to everyone and everything everyone said to me.

~my artistic process~
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aseariel Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I like the warden's design. She doesn't have what I believe :iconwhitetrashpalace: described as "Porn-y McRazorface." And I... find her sympathetic, even though I don't like what she's done to Schtein.
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myartgoespop Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
One question x: . What happened to his orange uniform? Is this new grey ensamble just for Solitary dudes , or what?
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Student Digital Artist
not specifically for solitary, but because he was moved from the hospital to the solitary cell. He's still being treated by the hospital staff, so his laundry is still coming from there.
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cesura Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Ya know, I kinda got the feeling there was something going on between the Warden and Peterson on the last page, with the awkward doorway moment. Heh. That'd be cute.
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mordormaster277 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
I've never really thought of her as butch, or Jesus, felt the need to categorize her at all. It's something that seems to happen a lot with characters, this categorization thing, but I think it's a lot better to suspend judgment in favor of just letting the characters be themselves.

And golly, god forbid I cry sexism, since I really hate mentioning it, but I think that just shows a definite prejudice built up in the comic medium. Oh, sure, it's not just comics. But if you go to the comic store right this moment, I somehow feel the number of large-chested females is going to outweigh the number of well thought out female protagonists. It's one reason I like web-comics: if the comic maker actually wants to stick to character development instead of exploitation, they can do that without having a Marvel/DC editor telling them to add more cleavage. Hell, the same standard goes for men. The bland, personality-less bishie-pretty-boys or giant muscular heroes just get annoying after so many rehashes. The idea of creating these 'perfect looking' characters is not just unrealistic, it's poor storytelling and lackluster character design. Plus it's just another reason most people don't respect comics as a medium.

Bleh. I'm approaching rambling territory. I have to say that when people throw slurs at characters, it's pretty shocking, and if the character is yours, even more so. I know that when I came under fire for having a female character who tended towards androgyny in dress and appearance, what people said about her behind my back was pretty offensive. (They would automatically assume she's gay, call her butch, a bitch, and just generally demeaned her solely because of her appearance.) Some of those same people had no problem with yaoi-grade pretty boys who could pass for females quite easily. Also, if you have a female character that's a tad on the grumpy side, people will automatically label her a bitch. Huh. It's funny, because somehow a male character being grumpy is a perfectly acceptable trait, even somehow admired. Look at House. If a female character acted at all like he does, I'm guessing she wouldn't be nearly as popular. Huh. You know. . . It's not comics, it's the society, and I guess all you can really do is ignore it and carry on as you were.
TL;DR.
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CthulhuMeow Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
You are a good person. Just wanted to say.
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stokerbramwell Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
Ugh I hate "tranny" as a pejorative. Ugh ugh ugh.

People bother me sometimes.
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I doubt any offense or ill will was meant. A lot of the times people just don't think about this stuff before they say anything. It happens.

Still, I'm pretty unfond of the term as well.
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aizou-blue Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
I'm definitely with you on that; it was starting to bother me a bit, too. So thank you. : )

But anyways, wonderful new page! It seems that all this time in prison has shrunk Schtein's beer belly. ;P
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
yay someone noticed.

That was actually the reason for the nudity in the shower scene, also. Not just to make him seem vulnerable, but to make it obvious how much weight he'd lost.

He hasn't been eating very well. Or much.
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aizou-blue Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2011
Not just for the naked prison men! :XD:
Yeah...that prison food probably does not give you much of an appetite.
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myartgoespop Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a feeling he's going to gain that back though. xD He seems to hate himself too much to have a healthy physique.

and you would think that someone offered him a million dollars when Peterson said the word " Nurse " Aw ):
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Sabretache Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
I'm not sure where he's at now could be considered healthy. I mean, isn't he getting a bit emaciated?
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myartgoespop Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
D'aw you know what I meant. Guess I should have said "not-chubby".
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Summercen Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
The conventional beauty thing is getting out of hand. I have heard so many complaints from people lately saying that Korra [link] looks way too manly and needs to be sized down and look more feminine, which makes me want to curl up and die inside.

I don't think the Warden is gorgeous, but she is definitely not unattractive.
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Really? I like how buff she is. So awesome. I'm really looking forward to the new series now that I've caught up with the rest of the world and watched the original one.
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Summercen Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! I think she's fantastic! Some people were comparing her to Aang, in that he wasn't really bulky, but he was also like 11. I think she's supposed to be what, like 16 or 17?

I'm pretty stoked for it though.
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Yeah. Also he was air tribe, and they all looked pretty thin. Being thin and light would be helpful to them, I'd think. What with all the air gliding and such.
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Summercen Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I wonder if they had like, hollow bird bones. Like that's how you could tell someone was going to be an Airbender and how they know for sure there's only one left, because they weigh 50 lbs less than everyone else.
Probably not though, they'd be too fragile. Although it would be cool that there were actual physiological differences between benders and non-benders.


OK I WILL STOP RAMBLING NOW
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NitrusOxide Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
Maybe I'm a weirdo, but I think the Warden is kinda cute, in a butch way. And frankly the thought of Peterson liking the Warden actually crossed my mind while reading this page, oddly enough. I think it's sweet. But I like unconventional characters and unconventional romance, so y'know. Ridiculously perfect looking characters don't really do much for me.

Also love the new page. Hope the nurse is Phineas, even if that makes no sense. It's just fun to watch the doc squirm, y'know?

Also the stubble is infinitely amusing to me. Schtein looks even more ratlike than usual, which I find oddly adorable.
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
rat like? Huh. I guess I don't see it. He does look pretty feral, though!

The way I see it, it's probably mutual, but they probably keep a respectable distance from each other. The warden is normally all business and numbers, so she wouldn't want to have a relationship with someone technically under her employ. So sad~ but the wastes, they get so lonely at night. When the mutant coyotes howl, and the way the radioactive dust twinkles as it hits the electromagnetic fields around the prison complex.


I must confess to a mutual boredom with conventionally attractive characters. Handsome or beautiful has never done it for me, I generally find myself drawn to faces that actually have character rather than perfection.

to be more blunt, and possibly rude about it, I couldn't give a rat's butt about pretty people's problems. :Y
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Sabretache Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
In reference to the second part of your post - here, here. About faces with character - especially as an artist, I much prefer an interesting face than a pretty one. Perfect-looking people are dull and no challenge to draw. (Not bragging! I just mean that the perfect, symmetrical, proportionate features are the stock ones we learn to draw first.)

For example, this guy:
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...is one of my favorite Russian actors, I have an unhealthy fascination with him - and he has possibly the weirdest face that has ever seen the light of day.

I'll try to stop spamming now.
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NitrusOxide Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
Sorry, I did mean that in a good way. But you already know I love Schtein's design.

How sweet. An unspoken mutual feeling, eh?

Yeah, I have to agree. It seems to me, at least in real life, people who are extremely conventionally 'good looking' aren't forced to develop personalities as they grow up, because people are already drawn to them. But if you're average looking you actually have to have positive personality traits to get people to want to be around you. I pray that if I ever have children they aren't born attractive. x x
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
whoops, I think was responding to someone else with that last bit.

My reading comprehension! It's not so good. :C
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
no, wait, I was. Wow, I am not really on the ball tonight. I better quit responding to myself!
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SteamPoweredRocket Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
Awwe yeah-- I think people (Including me because I'm a douche) made comments about the Warden because of the way she treats the Doc. I think people are more "A villian we love to hate and hate to love" towards her and it has nothing to do with her manliness, it's just that people are so attached to Doc that if anyone were to treat him badly they'd be picked at.

I bet if Phin picked on Doc the way the Warden does peple would jump on him in 2 seconds XDD

Like a boy who likes a girl but does mean things instead of just sexing her like he wants to :U

RambleRambleRambleRambleRamble

Personally, it's not her apperance I dislike about her, it's her tude because she reminds me of a boy I knew that was less than kind and tried to hurt me in many many way up until I beat the shit out of him :I She looks like a girl would would man a prison though, she has to be stout and scary to keep control :U
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
It's fine to dislike her, she's the main antagonist right now and she's doin' a shitty thing to the main character. I can understand that. I mean for people to dislike her.

Just didn't like the use of slurs poppin' up in my chat is all. No big deal, it's just one of those things. What's offensive to one person isn't to another and until someone says something about it there's no way to tell.

I'm not like mad about it, it just kind of depressed me a little bit.
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SteamPoweredRocket Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
It's good that you laid down the line though saying you didn't like it. I know some people who will try to ignore it until they pop in a bad way. Racial slurs do that to me, I have certain lines that people shouldn't cross. And fff-- making jokes is one thing, but without sarcasm or voice tones to help the jokes along and just text, they end up looking like blatant insults and stuff.

BUT YEAH. You're awesome, you make awesome stuff! I'm going to stop rambling. totally took a day quil when I meant to take a nyquil and I'm totally screwed Lol
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
hahah oh no. Well, maybe it'll make you drowsy anyway, if that's what you're goin' for. Cold medicine always makes me drowsy no matter what.

Yeah, the internet's pretty good for misunderstandings, hahah. :/
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Professor-Tinker Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
I like the warden fine... :/ she has a good strong appeal. People are so wtf sometime.

Meanwhile: I;m terrible for liking Schteins longer hair~
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Student Digital Artist
but he looks like a gross convict!

...

oh wait, he is a gross convict. :Dc
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Professor-Tinker Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
Ah, but I have a bullies sense of being charmed by this kind of torment... XD It;s terrible, theres no helping it.
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Razzek Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
I've actually always liked the Warden. Maybe it's just a "me" thing, but I think strong women who don't match conventional standards of beauty are far more attractive. Plus, I always thought it was way cool that a woman was running that high security prison, and she's a fantastic antagonist for the Doc.
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mare-of-night Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011
Wha? People saying warden is ugly must be spoiled by those comics that make all the female characters unnaturally pretty. Warden just looks normal to me...

Good job with the atmosphere of the cell, by the way.
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Sabretache Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
I agree. The great thing about the comic is it shows people of many different face/body types, and they all look like REAL PEOPLE.

Although the warden's appearance freaked me out a little when we first met her, with her long, toothy mouth. Frankly I feel like she is way more realistic than all the 'hot', stick-thin, immaculately groomed women who play cops, detectives, wardens and other tough jobs on TV and in comics.
If that made any sense, haha.
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evilengine9 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2011  Student Digital Artist
yeah, I think I might have been drawing her a little too much like her brother at first... They're just fraternal twins, not identical, obviously, since they're different sexes.
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Sabretache Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2011
So what you're saying is, the whole family needs to find a new dentist.

No, I kid. I kid because I love. :D
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3-lines Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Seconded. For both things you said.
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JazzinLyric Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I wasn't on the ustream, but I'm really glad you're bringing this point to light. It's such a rampant problem - so thank you.
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